Originally Posted by Warus

plenty of room for a fish tank.

Pardon my ignorance. What is that? Hadn't seen it yet.

ford falcon or holden monero (sp) wagon is what it looks like to me.

HSV GTS wagon. Based on a Holden Commodore wagon with HSV work over which is the performance arm of Holden.

Audi S4 Avant (V8) or AMC Eagle

Originally Posted by billd92

I had one of those....soooooo coool! 455 with the cool air twin scoop fiberglass hood.

Damn you guys, that twin hood scoop is siiiiiiiick! I had a '69 Delta 88 with the 455 Rocket, but no hoodscoop.
Kinda looked like this, only metallic green: 1969 Delta 88

all i see when i look at that, is the GIANT blind spot at the rear window.. i HATE that..

This?

Originally Posted by astockwell

Pardon my ignorance. What is that? Hadn't seen it yet.

Originally Posted by Warus

HSV GTS wagon. Based on a Holden Commodore wagon with HSV work over which is the performance arm of Holden.

translation: GTO wagon we'll never see.

Originally Posted by tbert

This?

I'm not Jack Klompus.

Originally Posted by jacobsen1

the new one IS NOT A STATION WAGON!

What?

Originally Posted by nate49509

What?

have you ever seen one in person? If you see it in person, you will realize its now shapped almost like a mini van... its disgusting.
That picture is very deceptive

My prior suggestions:

Originally Posted by Aurora

have you ever seen one in person? If you see it in person, you will realize its now shapped almost like a mini van... its disgusting.
That picture is very deceptive

I have, but I didn't think they looked like a mini-van. To be honest I prefer the older models and even Foresters over Outbacks. If it was me I'd be buying one of these hands down.



Oh and AMC Eagles rock!

^ I was looking around for Forester XT's yesterday. Love those cars.

Originally Posted by nate49509

What?

Originally Posted by Aurora

have you ever seen one in person? If you see it in person, you will realize its now shapped almost like a mini van... its disgusting.
That picture is very deceptive

yeah, I saw another one driving on the highway yesterday. I honestly thought it was some other brand car, then when I saw the scoob logo I was thinking if there was a new tribeca I forgot... Then I realized it. What they've done with the current outback is to make it a crossover to compete with the verenza and it looks like total ****. We REALLY wanted the diesel option that's due either this or next year, but if it looks like that turd no way. I usually warm up to new models, but no way in hell with that thing.

Originally Posted by nate49509

If it was me I'd be buying one of these hands down.

yeah, rad choice and almost Andy's wifes car... Hers is that color and has the turbo but isn't a sport. I LOVE the sport.... WRB or aspen with white wheels please

Originally Posted by MoLS

I'm not Jack Klompus.

Sok. Jack wouldn't have driven the CTS Wagon,

Originally Posted by Aurora

have you ever seen one in person? If you see it in person, you will realize its now shapped almost like a mini van... its disgusting.
That picture is very deceptive

Yeah they are pretty horid. I thought it was a tribeca the first time I saw one. Just ugly. I really don't like the direction subaru has taken in the last 3 years. They had arguably one of the best performing and best looking sedans in it's segment in the Legacy GT, and now look at it. Just awful. I will probably never buy another brand new Subaru.

Originally Posted by jacobsen1

yeah, I saw another one driving on the highway yesterday. I honestly thought it was some other brand car, then when I saw the scoob logo I was thinking if there was a new tribeca I forgot... Then I realized it. What they've done with the current outback is to make it a crossover to compete with the verenza and it looks like total ****. We REALLY wanted the diesel option that's due either this or next year, but if it looks like that turd no way. I usually warm up to new models, but no way in hell with that thing.



yeah, rad choice and almost Andy's wifes car... Hers is that color and has the turbo but isn't a sport. I LOVE the sport.... WRB or aspen with white wheels please

Yeah I really wish the Forester STi would have shown up for real, not that psuedo Forester STi. I would have probably traded in the WRX for one. I saw a couple in Singapore, and they look just awesome, and go like stink.

Originally Posted by nate49509

I have, but I didn't think they looked like a mini-van. To be honest I prefer the older models and even Foresters over Outbacks. If it was me I'd be buying one of these hands down.



Oh and AMC Eagles rock!

If you have an 10outback next to say, an 05, then yes, they look a minvan. its SO much bigger..

Ill take a forester XT and put it in my driveway.. they are sex.
My lovely Harrison

Originally Posted by astockwell

Pardon my ignorance. What is that? Hadn't seen it yet.

It's what could have been a Pontiac G8 Sport Wagon, that is if Pontiac hadn't died.

GM is considering rebadging the G8 as a Chevy.

we had a new outback parked next to our explorer at work today. it's amazing how similar they look. yeah the explorer is a bit taller, but the subie is wider and a bit longer. no thanks.

Originally Posted by astockwell

They had arguably one of the best performing and best looking sedans in it's segment in the Legacy GT, and now look at it.

the wagon version is/was one of the best looking and understated sports wagons around IMHO. Now it's gone from the line completely?

Originally Posted by astockwell

Yeah I really wish the Forester STi would have shown up for real, not that psuedo Forester STi. I would have probably traded in the WRX for one. I saw a couple in Singapore, and they look just awesome, and go like stink.

the one from WBM a few years back is what sold me on the concept. IMHO, if I had the time and money, converting a sport like they did would be a LOT of fun and not too expensive since they give you most of the motor (the expensive part). Swap the suspension, and go stage 2 with it and that's one hell of a vehicle IMHO.

Originally Posted by Aurora

My lovely Harrison

yeah, that's the last of the good looking outbacks. I've always preferred legacies personally, but that outback is good enough looking it's on our list (used obviously) when we finally need a new car. When they finally gave solid color options that helped a lot. My old one wasn't half bad except for the gray stickers on the bottom half.

i've laid down in the back before, im around 6' and wasn't too cramped, wife sleeps in the back of hers during her lunch breaks.

Originally Posted by Ath

wife sleeps in the back of hers during her lunch breaks.

Seriously? That is funny to me.

Originally Posted by thomps6s

Seriously? That is funny to me.

yeah, i dont particularly agree with it, especially since she works at the welfare office. luckily, security guard knows, if the hatch is up to hang outside and make sure no miscreants do anything

I spotted one of these yesterday... seck-say!


Volvo C30

Mmmm, love the C30! But I'm definitely after something bigger.

Originally Posted by Aurora

If you have an 10outback next to say, an 05, then yes, they look a minvan. its SO much bigger..

Ill take a forester XT and put it in my driveway.. they are sex.
My lovely Harrison

If I was the one shopping for this type of car, I would buy one of these used.

and to Hell with the newer fugly versions!

Originally Posted by nate49509

or one of these!

go for a used LGT 2.5GT, you can get a tune and be on ~300bhp. its FUN
Turbo swap and your sitting pretty at 275Whp.

^

and it's such a nice looking scoob too. I want one like that with a box on the roof....

@ all the used LGT recommendations.

it's a sick wagon dude. Almost a STi motor in a plane jane wagon most people wouldn't expect to be quick... The interior is really nice as well.

Originally Posted by jacobsen1

it's a sick wagon dude. Almost a STi motor in a plane jane wagon most people wouldn't expect to be quick... The interior is really nice as well.

Originally Posted by MoLS

I do really like the LGT, but I don't need the power associated with it and I'd rather get better mileage.

impreza or leggy wagon in NA with an auto if you're worried about SF traffic. you'll be good to go.

Originally Posted by MoLS

I do really like the LGT, but I don't need the power associated with it and I'd rather get better mileage.

with the power, I get that. But the mileage, it's good for low 20s I'd assume. But that's more of an AWD tradeoff than power really as it's a turbo.

but yeah, the jetta sportswagon gets more than double the mileage, is just as nice inside, not bad outside and can be modded for power if you wanted it (better mileage as well ).

You nailed it, Ben. Double the mileage ftw and I've always wanted a diesel.

Anyone know how the TDI does with short trips? If I get the job in SF I'd only be driving a few miles to the BART station.

new diesels don't have glow plugs or any of that **** if that's what you mean. Basically, they're not BAD on short trips, but they're better on long trips if you know what I mean. Diesels can run non stop for DAYS which is part of why I want one.... I'm just so familiar with them from boats.

Yeah, short trips aren't really ideal for any car. I just wanted to make sure that diesels weren't radically different in that aspect.

The range is really one of my major likes about them. I can essentially not worry when I head to the less populous regions of CA.

I say spend < $20K on your car and have more money to do other things. Seriously though, do you want a $500 or more/month car payment?

$30000 @ 3.9% FOR 48 months = $676.03
Assuming you put nothing down and can get 3.9%

I am sure you have ran the numbers being a numbers nerd though.

jetta diesels ARE ~$20k... Maybe $22ish? But yeah, that's still ~$400/month w/o a dp.

The tdi wagon starts at $24,615.

This isn't going to be an immediate purchase, especially if I'm working in the city. My little civic will do fine for a while with that commute duty. If I take the job with the ~25 mile commute it'll be sooner. I'll definitely have time to save for a DP.

ibsomeonereferencesVWsandhomosexualityinthesanfran ciscobayarea

damn, they optioned that sport wagon right to ~$25k didn't they? ****ers.

Jeff, lease a white sport wagon for 3 years. By the time you're done, that'll be right around when we'll need something I hope.

That's kind of what makes the A3 tempting, it's only $5k more...

Originally Posted by MoLS

I do really like the LGT, but I don't need the power associated with it and I'd rather get better mileage.

I get about 23 on the highway around 21 around town. and thats with the accessport tune. Its not really any worse than the std subaru tune. I have seen 30Mpg on it at times. But i was driving around lancaster PA in 2nd all day
but i took a pic of the dash computer anyway lol

Originally Posted by jacobsen1

damn, they optioned that sport wagon right to ~$25k didn't they? ****ers.

Jeff, lease a white sport wagon for 3 years. By the time you're done, that'll be right around when we'll need something I hope.

Dude, diesel adds $3500 premium to the Golf. I assume it's the same for Jetta?

Originally Posted by jacobsen1

new diesels don't have glow plugs or any of that **** if that's what you mean. Basically, they're not BAD on short trips, but they're better on long trips if you know what I mean. Diesels can run non stop for DAYS which is part of why I want one.... I'm just so familiar with them from boats.

um... yeah they do (and they're a bitch to get to). you don't have to plug them in like you did with old IDI diesels. my tdi does 9 miles one way then sits. aside from it not putting out any heat for the first 8 miles, it's fine.

Originally Posted by tbert

Dude, diesel adds $3500 premium to the Golf. I assume it's the same for Jetta?

yeah, they've put the tdi into a package with a nice interior and nice tranny now. It USED to be in the stripper interior with only their 5mt... So instead of going after penny pinchers apparently they're going after the prius crowd (nicer efficient instead of cheap)?

Originally Posted by case sensitive

um... yeah they do (and they're a bitch to get to). you don't have to plug them in like you did with old IDI diesels. my tdi does 9 miles one way then sits. aside from it not putting out any heat for the first 8 miles, it's fine.

wait, wut? You have plugs you have to wait on? Like the light comes on, then goes off, THEN you can start it? The boat doesn't have them at all, but I guess it's a big enough cylinder that the cold isn't an issue? It's sits on ~40º water at times, so they couldn't assume it won't get cold, but maybe that's not cold enough to be an issue? Or is it just more automated in the newer TDIs now but they still have them?