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    I recently purchased rebel xt to aid with my business venture. I am making and installing concrete countertops and other elements typically indoors in kitchens, bathrooms etc and was wondering what would be the ideal lense to use in these situations. I have a flash that someone let me borrow and that really helps with the lighting but I just don't get the "look" I want out of my pics with the stock lens. I would like my pictures to be as professional as possible to really reflect the details in my work and to aid with portfolio pictures for potential clientele.

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    ^ what are you photographing specifically? Details in the kitchens or bathrooms, or the rooms as a whole?

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    First off, what lens are you currently using?

    The lens is going to marginal in getting that professional look. But something like a a fast, wide angle prime would probably fit the bill. I think there is a Canon 28mm f/1.8 or something out there that comes to my mind.

    The key is going to come in you learning how to handle your camera and get what you want out of it. Also, post up some samples so we can help you with issues. I need to see the results you're currently getting before I can help.

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    ^ kit lens I believe Scott.

    And Scott is dead on, I was thinking youll most likely want a fast WA lens as well.

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    Well honestly, if you're going for professional shots of interiors, a tripod and lighting are the first 2 things you'll want to use over a fast lens. Sure a 28mm f/1.8 will let you hand hold with better results, but just using a tripod, good custom white balance, and getting your lighting right will do WONDERS for you shots. And actually the kit lens, since it's 18-55mm, will probably work best because I'd imagine you want wide shots inside like that.
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    Well I def. could stand to learn more about the camera no doubt. It is all kind of a foreign language to me at this point. I just have the kit lens which is the 18-55mm that came with the camera. So far I just use the auto settings which I am sure most on here will cringe at hearing but it's what I have to work with currently due to my lack of knowledge.

    Some of my pictures I just want to focus on details like integral features I may cast into my work and other shots I want to focus on the whole kitchen or bath.


    On the portfolio page of my website probably the first two to three rows of pics are with the new camera. The rest of the pics have been taken with various pos cameras. There may be a few more of the rebel pics mixed in but most of them are at the top.

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    OK, let's take this shot as an example:


    with my exif viewer, I can see how you shot it (or the camera):
    • Exposure Time = 1/60"
    • F Number = F4.5
    • ISO Speed Ratings = 400
    So you're using auto modes, which is actually a good thing when you're learning. Once you know why the camera is doing what it's doing in those modes, then switch, until then, keep using them.

    The 1/60th is generally the slowest speed you can hand hold a camera. The camera knows this so it will use that when it notices low light. The f/4.5 is the aperture. That's how much light the lens lets into the camera (this is the most for the kit lens at 35mm I think). The ISO is the signal/noise ratio. 100 is "the best" but it's better to bump that up to keep the time at or above 1/6oth. So the camera did everything to keep the camera steady. Now the issue with this is f/4.5 give you shallow DOF (depth of field, what's in focus). So the face of the sink (where I'd assume it focused) is sharp, but the rest is not as sharp. So what would work better here is a higher aperture (f8~f16) but that will raise the ISO and lower the shutter speed. That means you really need a tripod to get that shot (or set the camera on something solid, ladder, box, bucket, anything).

    Also, can you go back when the house/room is finished? The shots would look a million times better if it was of a finished kitchen/bath. Get the owners to decorate it and the shot you have would look worlds better. Use a tripod to get some better DOF and that will help a bunch too. Then from there work on better lighting. Dusk where there is some light from the windows as well as interior lights would look better (but will make you need a tripod even more).

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    Thanks for breaking that down for me Ben. I do need to focus on getting back to the jobsites when other work has been finished to get the true feel of the work. It's hard to juggle scheduling at times.

    I will work on the tripod issue to try and get more dialed in with my shots. I have one I am shooting tonight and that's one of the reasons I am asking about this.

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    I agree with Ben. I think a new lens will only make your wallet lighter.

    You mentioned you had an external flash. Have you tried bouncing it off the ceiling? The lighting I saw in the photos on the website you linked looked harsh. A bounced flash would do wonders.
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    Yeah, I'm sure it's hard, but it will look so much better "finished". At least throw some plates on the outlets if you can. That would only take a few minutes.

    Also, to get ideas, go to a magazine/book store and look in the magazines for construction type stuff, or architectural type shots. Study the shots you like, and figure out what they're doing that you're not. It's the best way to learn and get ideas to improve. I do this all the time with travel, skiing and sailing magazines.

    As for the tripod, if you don't have one, like I said, there's probably 10 things in the background of those shots you can use. Nothing is moving, so it's an easy solution. When you do use a tripod, I'd suggest setting the ISO to 100. Set the camera to Av, then set the aperture to somewhere between f8 and f16 (try a few settings, but at 100 and f/16 the shots might take ~30 seconds). Then use the timed release. That's the "drive" option, set it to the clock from the box option. This will take a picture 10 seconds after you press the shutter. Yes it means your shots will take a lot longer, but they'll look a lot better for it.

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    I will def. make a stronger effort to get more completed shots and will attempt changing the settings per your reccomendations.

    Apex when you say bounce the flash off the ceilling do you mean just turn the flash in that direction when taking the pics?

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    Apex when you say bounce the flash off the ceilling do you mean just turn the flash in that direction when taking the pics?
    Yes, just tilt the flash head straight up. When I said "bounce the flash" I actually meant bounce the light. It softens it up and gets rid of hard shadows and a lot of the glare.
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    I will report back with my results hopefully tomm if possible. Thanks!

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    I added some more pics to my site after taking the advice here. I played around with the flash pointing it in different directions and had some items placed around to help the project look more finished. It worked a bit better but I still need more practice. I didn't use a tri-pod as I didn't have one handy and am dissapointed with the what would have been my best shots had my hand been more still.

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    you also might consider taking a few "off angle" shots, as if you had just walked into the room and this is what you saw. literally more of a "big picture" type thing.

    on a side note, concrete countertops sounds like a pretty damned good idea.

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    Thanks ride I will try that on my next install.


    Yes concrete is a viable option for sure. You are unlimited in what you can do with it. Creativity is the main limitation much like photography!

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    agreed with ken on the "big picture" idea. But your new shots are a huge improvement over the previous attempts. The lighting looks much better, as do the counters in a more "finished" setting. Although it's funny to see the candles out with no top on the wall... Nothing you can do about that except maybe come back when that person is done....

    Is that new set of a white countertop? It looks much lighter than the other shots. Not sure if it's that countertop, or the new lighting.

    Also, you don't need a tripod, you can set your camera on anything... Around a site there's got to be buckets, boxes, ladders and a million other things you can use.
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    Thanks Ben I made a much stronger effort on this. The wall cap is actually being made out of concrete also. Just haven't finished that piece yet. The tops are all an off white color. I played with the flash a bit so some pics seem whiter than others due to that. On the island I was trying to capture the fiber optic lights that are inlaid into it so I turned the flash off for those and it makes the hue of the tops much different.

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    Very cool (the countertops)....
    and yeah, get that cap done and go reshoot it....

    Huge improvement in just one try though. Keep it up and you'll have a much better looking gallery to help advertise/sell yourself.
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