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Ok what lens would you like to take with you on travels that would be on 90% of the time as a walk around on a canon cropper? I'm thinking of investing a few dollars into something to take on the role from my kit 18-55.
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Ok what lens would you like to take with you on travels that would be on 90% of the time as a walk around on a canon cropper? I'm thinking of investing a few dollars into something to take on the role from my kit 18-55.
My name is Dave too
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17-50 f/2.8 Tamron
If you are some how unable to steady a shot at those focal lengths in walk around conditions @ 2.8, the canon 17-55 IS 2x the money.. if you think you need it I guess it's worth it?
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No the Tamron suggestion sounds fine to me, I think I can move the extra 2 metres closer to the subject or bust out the 55-250. I'm still debating on getting a 7D now and then throwing this lens on it and selling my 450D with the 18-55.
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So you can't use manual focus at all on the Tamron?
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Sure you can..Originally Posted by Warus
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Hmm review said there was no full manual. Hmm looking at the Sigma thanks Saad.
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Bend over and I will show you what you can do with that suggestion.
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Scott recommended it to me, and I've loved it. Only reason I'm not using it anymore is because I shifted to the 17-55mm 2.8 for weddings. If I didn't do weddings, I wouldn't switch. The macro on that lens alone makes it worth while
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What's wrong with the 18-55? Something broken? I'd consider a fast prime to go with it, maybe the 35 f/2.
“Sharpness is a Bourgeois concept.” -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
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tamron actually makes a stabilized version of that lens now too if you need it and don't want to spend $1k...17-50 f/2.8 Tamron
If you are some how unable to steady a shot at those focal lengths in walk around conditions @ 2.8, the canon 17-55 IS 2x the money.. if you think you need it I guess it's worth it?
full time manual means you can use the MF ring at the same time as pressing your AF button. If it's NOT full time manual, it means you have to flip a switch to be able to MF, but pretty much all lenses have MF, it's just if you need to flip a switch to get it.
Also consider canon's 15-85, it's the crop equivalent of the 28-135mm on FF. But personally, I'd get a UWA zoom to compliment your 18-55 IS. The 18-55 isn't a bad lens, especially if you have the IS version provided you have enough light. A 10-20 siggy or 11-16 tokina would be awesome for your trip if it were me. And I second marks suggestion of a cheaper fast prime, except I'd take a hard look at the siggy 30 1.4...
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Nothing really but I figure if I were to upgrade to a 7D I could sell the 450D as a package easier than body only and then also upgrade that lens to something a bit sharper and faster.
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I already have the 11-16 so that end is covered and was going to keep the 55-250 for now. Thanks for the full time manual explanation.
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if you really want to travel light and depend on one lens for a variety of situations:
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Nope I'm not after an all in one. I'm trying to also increase the IQ not sacrifice it in the bid for convenience but thanks for the suggestion.
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i personally love my Sigma 30mm. I use the 1.4 rather often along with many other settings. I actually used it for about 60 shots earlier today indoors and it was an utter pleasure.
It's really a tuff call for the kit lens replacement. the 15-85 is really highly reviewed and is supposed to be much better quality than the kit and it has IS... but then again it's the debate on the 2.8 factor... that's a lot of light. I would really like to have one myself. I've been in this debate for months personally and will remain until I have the funds for one, lol.....
I took the plunge on the Dirty 30 and it's paid off a lot!
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A prime is nice but gives me zero flexibility when doing the tourist thing. I'm leaning towards the Sigma at the moment but have the whole Sigma quality control issue in the back of my mind. Hmm will think some more and end up doing nothing probably
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you mean the sigma 17-50 2.8? they just released a new model with IS and also hsm and fld glass. 669 on amazon.A prime is nice but gives me zero flexibility when doing the tourist thing. I'm leaning towards the Sigma at the moment but have the whole Sigma quality control issue in the back of my mind. Hmm will think some more and end up doing nothing probably
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Dave, get the Tamron 17-50. It's tiny and has no QC issues to worry about. The only other option to consider seeing a clearer picture of what you're after now, is the tokina 16-50... CAN YOU GET ONE THERE? Because they're VERY hard to get here. If you can get one, you'd be able to sell it pretty easy up here I'd bet. But that or the 17-50 are the 2 best lenses in that range for QC and IQ. And tamron gives you their stabilization option as well.
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Yea.. you can get the VC version (IS in Tamron world) of the lens for $200 more, or if you're lucky you can pick one up cheap used on POTN.. if you're lucky means someone dumb enough to sell one and also live in the outback lol.
BTW don't know if this issue exists with the newer VC version or not, but the focus motor on the Tamron is loud, it sounds like a little wind up car or electric race track car when it's focusing. Not an issue if you don't need it to be silent. Perhaps it'll help you in the future if a kangaroo tries to claw your stomach to shreds. *ZIIIIP* and it runs off.
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I'm not scared of roo's. They aren't too fierce bouncing off the front of the car. I think the sigma and the tamron are roughly the same price. I will look at the IS version. The Tokina seems to be 3 x the price of the Tamron here.
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Ouch!
Yea.. if you think you'll shoot some macros and can deal with variable aperture then the Sigma's where it's at. If you want to mimic the 11-16 (fixed aperture) get the Tamron. It's nice to toss your body in M, nail ur exposure and then just snap at either end of the lens and in between without your settings underexposing by a stop on their own
If you shoot in Av mode, then I guess it doesn't matter..
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how much we talking Dave? I know your 7D price was super low, but maybe have the lens waiting for you at your first stop here?
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AUD = 85-88c at the moment
Tamron Lens SP AF17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di II LD Aspherical [IF] $380Au VC version $470AUD
Sigma Lens 17-70mm F2.8-4.5 DC MACRO $350.75AUD
Canon 7D Body only $1530AUD
Canon DSLR EOS 7D Body + EF 28-135mm IS USM Lens Kit
Price: AUD$1 950.00
Canon DSLR EOS 7D Body + EFS 18-135mm IS Lens Kit
Price: AUD$1 870.00
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so you don't want th option of far distance telephoto at all? or do you plan to use a 2nd telephoto lens for that purpose?
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Bah 24 is not wide. I already have an 11-16 and a 55-250 so I am looking to replace the gap created if I sell the 18-55 with the current 450D.
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You know what I'd actually do? I'd use a fast prime, like I mentioned before, to plug the gap, and just take that with the 11-16 and 55-250. I usually travel with the 16-35, the 50 (now the 35), and either the 135 or 70-200. You won't miss the midrange that much. If you do want to take the midrange zoom, I'd actually suggest leaving the telephoto at home. You'll miss some shots, sure, but not many.
“Sharpness is a Bourgeois concept.” -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
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No wai is 24mm on a crop wide enough!!
“Sharpness is a Bourgeois concept.” -- Henri Cartier-Bresson
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^ yeah, it's funny, I'm about to say no way in hell is 24mm wide enough, but I subscribe to mark's newsletter of the zooms on the ends and primes in the middle and guess what my next FL is? A 24mm prime...
It's not a bad idea Dave, look into the siggy 30. Inexpensive, IQ, small, it's a great lens. Personally, the way I shoot my zooms, my 11-16mm is basically 2 primes. If I'd gone with a mid range zoom, it's be another 2~3 primes and the first one would basically be the same as the 16mm end of the UWA. So ~24 and ~50/60 are the other 2 FLs I'd gain with midrange and those are two primes I own. Gives me lots of options and HEAPS of IQ to spare....
the inexpensive prime options:
siggy 20mm 1.8
siggy 24mm 1.8
siggy 28mm 1.8
canon 28mm 1.8
sigma 30mm 1.4 DC
canon 35mm 2.0
ALL of those are FF lenses except the siggy 30. The reason I mention that is only because they're not small lenses. I'd bet the tamron 17-50 weighs less than most (assuming it's similar to the 28-75). But they're a stop to 1.5 stops faster than the zoom which is a big deal both in DOF and ISOs, especially on a crop body.
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I don't think I should get into primes because they seem to be addictive and I can't afford to get the full on gear bug.
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I guess one thing about travel lenses is a size? always thought primes tended to be smaller, but you can hardly call the 20mm1.8 a pancake.. so while we're on the topic of travel lenses, are there any "small" lenses which are still fast.. 1.4~2.8 out there?
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Frankly I don't like the idea of using primes while travelling/playing tourist. Too many situations where your physical movement is restricted because of:
natural geography
traffic laws in that country/city
being part of a tour group
manmade/natural barriers in urban or wilderness areas
the scheudule of friends/family you travel with
stuck on moving vehicles you can't get off of
and having a flexible zoom solves some of the framing/composition issues without sacrificing resolution too much. Fast primes will probably ensure higher PQ on average but one has to weigh out that vs the inconviniences one encounters for the reasons I listed above.
At least that's my personal experience.
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fair enough, but consider Scott's list (stime), he's got a 17-40, 50 and 70-200. That's it.
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KayOne's comment above is right on WRT to movement restrictions.
After the last 2 weeks tourist-ing, i went from wanting to sell my 10-20mm sigma to loving the crap out of it. It's small and light, and if you don't hate the distorted corners on the wide end, It's just amazingly addictive for shooting stuff you can't get far enough away from. churches / cathedrals / gigantic bridges / courtyards / corridors / what-have-you. i need to go edit pics.
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I'm not saying don't take a zoom, I'm just saying not to take a midrange zoom... exactly BECAUSE of movement restrictions. What you want to shoot is likely to be close (UWA) or far away (tele)... if it's neither, or it's in lowlight, you use the fast prime. The alternative would be to take ONE midrange zoom, period.
Here's the thing: no matter what you bring, you're never going to get every shot you want--you're already compromising some. You're much more likely to leave the camera in the car/hotel room/bus/whatever if you bring a lot of stuff. Keep it slim, flexible, and capable. I think the people arguing against the midrange prime are VASTLY underestimating what you can do with a 35 or 50mm lens.
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50 1.8. take ONLY that lens. be different.
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get a nikon, and get the 18-200, or buy that 18-270 that was posted up above.... If you are only going to take one lens, why not cover all the range?
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+1
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but that and a UWA zoom isn't a terrible idea if you only want 2 lenses. The combo kit lenses (18-55 and 55-250 for example) cost about the same or less and are better optically, but it makes another lens to carry. If you won't do that, then get the super zoom and have fun.
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I ordered the non USM 18-55 from KEH for my FIL by mistake. It turned out it was identical to the kit lens he had gotten with his 20D (which is now mine). He wanted the USM version, though, so I ordered one for him and he'll give me the non USM one (which I am OK with).
I think 18-55 is a good lens on a budget. Especially for traveling. If it gets broken or stoles, you are out <$100.
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I have doubts a 24mm on a cropper is wide enough when youre playing tourist, because what do a lot of people shoot when they're visiting other cities, landmarks, town centers, churches, museums, etc...
They're trying to grab shots of building fronts, random architecture and usually trying to grab as much of the image as they can within the frame. Often in urban areas youre restricted by space where you'd have to stand on the other side of the street or worse yet in the middle of the street to get the right composition and having something a little wider, preferrably less than 20mm on a cropper wide end would be better.
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I think I will stick with my existing kit for now after all that. I desperately need my own mobile phone now rather than using my work phone so it looks like I might get an iphone.
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I just came back from my vacation around portland / seattle, I carried a 28 f/2.8 and a 70-210 f/4. I was expecting to shoot alot indoors in lower lighting and animals at the wildlife trek. I would have to say I don't miss that big gap between 28-70 much, although I actually wished I had something wider than the 28. (Body is a 1.6 cropper) However, I must say that as a "traveller" even a f/4 seems slow in alot of occasions, esp in telephoto. If budget wasn't an issue and I could afford more than the 15$ I paid for my 28 f/2.8 I would probably get a sigma 20mm 1.8 or something and try to find a 70-200 f/2.8.
just my 2c
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